jerusalem, his son king solomon built the temple. and then when, as you also said, when rome became christian, they built st. peter's, one of the great churches ever built. so this is consistent in history and kind of lost in this whole conversation, i think, is there's 600,000 muslims who live in and around new york city and, in fact, there have been -- there are mosques in this area. in fact, there was a muslim prayer room in the world trade centers, to her reference about the trade centers. so the point is, it just is unusual and frankly a little frightening that a political candidate in north carolina or my hometown of savannah is going to comment on where muslims in new york city can worship or not. >> well, so if you -- i mean if you call a mosque a victory mosque, then would you -- by that logic, could you call the vatican a victory church or st. peter's a victory church, if you're going down that road? >> if you want to use that language, i don't think it's constructive language, and when the pilgrims got to plymouth, the first thing they built was a church, in fact.